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Actually, I was trying to be facetious. Subjectively I think half of the thread is people either asking about updates or complaining about the lack thereof. 80% of the rest is reacting to that.
Actually, I was trying to be facetious. Subjectively I think half of the thread is people either asking about updates or complaining about the lack thereof. 80% of the rest is reacting to that.
IMO you succeeded, possibly to well lolActually, I was trying to be facetious. Subjectively I think half of the thread is people either asking about updates or complaining about the lack thereof. 80% of the rest is reacting to that.
Actually, I was trying to be facetious. Subjectively I think half of the thread is people either asking about updates or complaining about the lack thereof. 80% of the rest is reacting to that.
Most certainly did.IMO you succeeded, possibly to well lol
That leaves 10% de of the rest of the thread speaking about how cute the triplets are... Not enough!Actually, I was trying to be facetious. Subjectively I think half of the thread is people either asking about updates or complaining about the lack thereof. 80% of the rest is reacting to that.
I may have missed that post a while back .. but ...
I may have missed that post a while back .. but ...
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Err missed that. Of course it has been a while since I played so may not remember that now.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
It's actually way worse: apart from the ones sharing their love for triplets, that ten percent also need to encompass those discussing (or reacting to) Natalie, the odd mention of Brook (or Gracie for that matter) and of course the unfortunate souls who keep getting lost in Maddie's eyes over and over again...That leaves 10% de of the rest of the thread speaking about how cute the triplets are... Not enough!
1. I agree about the feels about Gracie. I am a widow and that story plotline generally hits me hard. I felt nothing for her in general. She was a baby factory and the letter was just a "yeah I knew you were alive, but we never looked for you, here are your kids" kind of thing. The girls are the main story for me.I'm going to state my (potentially unpopular) opinion here and I'm wondering if you guys can change my views. I'll try to remain partial because maybe I'm just not seeing the genius that is Radiant.
I think this game is painfully mediocre and undeserving of all the attention it's gotten. Here's why I think so:
1. Gracie death was extremely weak, emotionally. We spent only 5 minutes with this character with barely any character development. All we know about her is she's a virgin and falls in love way too quickly. Her sole purpose was to bear the MC babies and die. She's like a character in The Walking Dead who is only introduced to be killed off. The letter she wrote did not hit me in the feels because I didn't care for her because we spent no time getting to know her. If anything, it made me roll my eyes because the writer expects me to be sad with no work on his part to make me feel sad.
2. Choices break character hard. I like being given choices in a VN but not ones that go so far against what a character would do that it makes other characters (who mind you, knows the MC better than you or I at that point) shocked that he would behave that way. I'm talking about the scene with the old buddy cracking a joke at you and you get the choice to chew his ass out over it. I feel sad for the old guy, having an undiagnosed psychopath as a "friend".
3. The cliffhanger is a terrible cliffhanger. We didn't know we killed anyone and we don't even know this random lady who came to knock on our door. Also, this whole thing is way too similar to how the MC finds out he has daughters. The three of him knock on his door, he opens, they drop the bomb on him. In the cliffhanger, she knocks on his door, he opens, she drops the bomb on him. What's next, will she ask to come live with him too? Maybe he'll catch her sleepwalking naked as well. Also, the two bombs were horribly spaced apart. It's better to take one conflict at a time. The current conflict is learning how to be a father, but now this shit comes and hijacks the story by making him feel guilt about something that happens years ago. Either it's a nonissue and there is no point in introducing that character, or she takes up time that should have been spent with the daughters instead.
Everything else was mediocre and not worth mentioning. I think what could've made the story interesting is if the MC really doesn't believe the kids are his (but we as the audience know) and he pretends he's their father so he can get in their pants. Maybe later on down the line, after he bumps uglies with his kids, he starts to remember Gracie and finally realizes that these are his own kids he's been fucking, and he's disgusted with himself. You can go dark by making him kill himself, or you can make the guy come to terms with what he's done and slowly accept that he's an incest loving daughter fucker.
Final score: 6/10 for me.
I get what you say.I'm going to state my (potentially unpopular) opinion here and I'm wondering if you guys can change my views. I'll try to remain partial because maybe I'm just not seeing the genius that is Radiant.
I think this game is painfully mediocre and undeserving of all the attention it's gotten. Here's why I think so:
1. Gracie death was extremely weak, emotionally. We spent only 5 minutes with this character with barely any character development. All we know about her is she's a virgin and falls in love way too quickly. Her sole purpose was to bear the MC babies and die. She's like a character in The Walking Dead who is only introduced to be killed off. The letter she wrote did not hit me in the feels because I didn't care for her because we spent no time getting to know her. If anything, it made me roll my eyes because the writer expects me to be sad with no work on his part to make me feel sad.
2. Choices break character hard. I like being given choices in a VN but not ones that go so far against what a character would do that it makes other characters (who mind you, knows the MC better than you or I at that point) shocked that he would behave that way. I'm talking about the scene with the old buddy cracking a joke at you and you get the choice to chew his ass out over it. I feel sad for the old guy, having an undiagnosed psychopath as a "friend".
3. The cliffhanger is a terrible cliffhanger. We didn't know we killed anyone and we don't even know this random lady who came to knock on our door. Also, this whole thing is way too similar to how the MC finds out he has daughters. The three of him knock on his door, he opens, they drop the bomb on him. In the cliffhanger, she knocks on his door, he opens, she drops the bomb on him. What's next, will she ask to come live with him too? Maybe he'll catch her sleepwalking naked as well. Also, the two bombs were horribly spaced apart. It's better to take one conflict at a time. The current conflict is learning how to be a father, but now this shit comes and hijacks the story by making him feel guilt about something that happens years ago. Either it's a nonissue and there is no point in introducing that character, or she takes up time that should have been spent with the daughters instead.
Everything else was mediocre and not worth mentioning. I think what could've made the story interesting is if the MC really doesn't believe the kids are his (but we as the audience know) and he pretends he's their father so he can get in their pants. Maybe later on down the line, after he bumps uglies with his kids, he starts to remember Gracie and finally realizes that these are his own kids he's been fucking, and he's disgusted with himself. You can go dark by making him kill himself, or you can make the guy come to terms with what he's done and slowly accept that he's an incest loving daughter fucker.
Final score: 6/10 for me.
I honestly don't understand why she isn't just his normal GF. There ist literally no reason for their relationship to be a one night stand.1. Gracie death was extremely weak, emotionally. We spent only 5 minutes with this character with barely any character development. All we know about her is she's a virgin and falls in love way too quickly. Her sole purpose was to bear the MC babies and die. She's like a character in The Walking Dead who is only introduced to be killed off. The letter she wrote did not hit me in the feels because I didn't care for her because we spent no time getting to know her. If anything, it made me roll my eyes because the writer expects me to be sad with no work on his part to make me feel sad.
Fun fact: Radiant is a nearly completed story if we just look at the first draft alone... it is roughly the size of 6 full novels already and will be completely rewritten at least two more times before this game is completed.
There's an explanation for this, but this is yet another scenario where there's a valid answer to your question that merely hasn't been revealed yet. Not a major spoiler or anything, but some important details that will be revealed as the story goes... so I'll spoiler tag it.Mainly, why the hell did she not appear after he woke up if she was so madly in love with him.
This is the joke he cracked2. Choices break character hard. I like being given choices in a VN but not ones that go so far against what a character would do that it makes other characters (who mind you, knows the MC better than you or I at that point) shocked that he would behave that way. I'm talking about the scene with the old buddy cracking a joke at you and you get the choice to chew his ass out over it. I feel sad for the old guy, having an undiagnosed psychopath as a "friend".
3. The cliffhanger is a terrible cliffhanger. We didn't know we killed anyone and we don't even know this random lady who came to knock on our door. Also, this whole thing is way too similar to how the MC finds out he has daughters. The three of him knock on his door, he opens, they drop the bomb on him. In the cliffhanger, she knocks on his door, he opens, she drops the bomb on him. What's next, will she ask to come live with him too? Maybe he'll catch her sleepwalking naked as well. Also, the two bombs were horribly spaced apart. It's better to take one conflict at a time. The current conflict is learning how to be a father, but now this shit comes and hijacks the story by making him feel guilt about something that happens years ago. Either it's a nonissue and there is no point in introducing that character, or she takes up time that should have been spent with the daughters instead.
It has been a millennia since I last played the game. Now that the MC has successfully rebuilt his life in just a few years after being in coma for like what, 18 years? I cannot remember if the MC showed any sign of guilt at all knowing that he killed someone even though he has no recollection of it.This is the joke he cracked
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Understandable the MC might react to that and tells you that he killed someone in the accident
So the MC knew, you knew, Bernie knew, we all knew
Brooke's the girl that applies for a job at your firm.It has been a millennia since I last played the game. Now that the MC has successfully rebuilt his life in just a few years after being in coma for like what, 18 years? I cannot remember if the MC showed any sign of guilt at all knowing that he killed someone even though he has no recollection of it.
Also since my memory is so shoddy, as certified by my Bioresonance-homeopathy doctor, WHO IS BROOKE?
Yea, AL left a deep impression where the MC moped on the bed for many moons with Mel. Sorry for comparing your game with AL. As you mentioned, this is only chapter one, I am really looking forward to how the story goes.Brooke's the girl that applies for a job at your firm.
Also: several years were skipped after you woke up from the coma. I'd recommend waiting for the discussion with Natalie before concluding anything like that. He definitely felt guilt for it... but he had so much shit slung at him all at once after waking up that he had no choice to repress it as much as possible... just so that he could keep moving forward with his life and rehabilitation.
You already mention with The Walking Dead kinda the example I would've been going for with another TV series, Star Trek. Sometimes you have to show that something is serious, so you have to get somebody killed. Not of the main cast, they're needed in future episodes. But not only the proverbial redshirt as well, because they're just collateral damage. So you introduce somebody, give 'em a bit of screentime, have a laugh with the captain and a heart-to-heart with Guinan about their mommy at home, maybe help O'Brien solve a minor problem. It still doesn't really work as a total heartbreak, people usually will not care enough. And it can't, you still need time for the heroes to save the day, there's never enough time to make people really care about the new guy. Admittedly, the time constraint does not exist in a VN, it could go on for as long as you want it to, but having a three hour introduction before the main story begins may also put people off. And the VN does not have the luxury of a bit-by-bit introduction in a couple of previous episodes.1. Gracie death was extremely weak, emotionally. We spent only 5 minutes with this character with barely any character development. All we know about her is she's a virgin and falls in love way too quickly. Her sole purpose was to bear the MC babies and die. She's like a character in The Walking Dead who is only introduced to be killed off. The letter she wrote did not hit me in the feels because I didn't care for her because we spent no time getting to know her. If anything, it made me roll my eyes because the writer expects me to be sad with no work on his part to make me feel sad.
As others have said, there are multiple issues with this scene yet to be resolved in game. At the same time, for me in VNs in general choices also have a retroactive aspect. You're not only saying what you say at that precise moment, but you also define the chemistry between the characters over the previous years, which can't be seen in game. So whether I make a snide comment at an old friend, or a sympathetic one, or a joke, or don't react at all, that's "how it's always been" to me, it's my chemistry with the character, this kind of banter is why we are friends in the first place, because we both know it works that way.2. Choices break character hard. I like being given choices in a VN but not ones that go so far against what a character would do that it makes other characters (who mind you, knows the MC better than you or I at that point) shocked that he would behave that way. I'm talking about the scene with the old buddy cracking a joke at you and you get the choice to chew his ass out over it. I feel sad for the old guy, having an undiagnosed psychopath as a "friend".
I actually don't care much about the cliffhanger. It is, in the end, one novel. How a chapter ends doesn't mean much, when the book is finished I can immediately get my resolution. This is only interesting while the game is in development.3. The cliffhanger is a terrible cliffhanger. We didn't know we killed anyone and we don't even know this random lady who came to knock on our door. Also, this whole thing is way too similar to how the MC finds out he has daughters. The three of him knock on his door, he opens, they drop the bomb on him. In the cliffhanger, she knocks on his door, he opens, she drops the bomb on him. What's next, will she ask to come live with him too? Maybe he'll catch her sleepwalking naked as well. Also, the two bombs were horribly spaced apart. It's better to take one conflict at a time. The current conflict is learning how to be a father, but now this shit comes and hijacks the story by making him feel guilt about something that happens years ago. Either it's a nonissue and there is no point in introducing that character, or she takes up time that should have been spent with the daughters instead.
I doubt that everything else would be the same, the dynamics would be different. You would probably know your potential in-laws. Your friends and family would know about Gracie. So knowledge about your kids would have to be avoided by some convoluted reason. Also I don't think that "This is your gf of 5 years. You love her very much and care about her. Now she's dead. You're sad." would have more impact on the player.I honestly don't understand why she isn't just his normal GF. There ist literally no reason for their relationship to be a one night stand.
If they would have been together for lets say 2 or 3 years, this whole thing would have had more weight. He still wouldn't know about his daughters and everything else would be literally the same.
Maybe it's because the dev didn't want the MC to remember the mother?